Good combos guys. This one is cool too for a second turn kill; 1. turn: Mountain -> Orcish Lumberjack 2. turn: Forest -> Tinder Wall -> sac forest for +3 mana -> throw simian guide spirit off hand for +1 mana -> sac Tinder Wall = Ball Lightning + Bloodlust + Fling = 2*10 damage sadly this wont work with only the opening hand cause of the additional card. Still nice though..

  -- By Anonymous from Denmark on June 16, 2009

First Turn: Mountain, Lumberjack, Petal Second Turn: Forest, Tap it and the Mountain, Sac the Petal, Sac the Forest with the Lumberjack, Ball Lightning, Blood Lust, Berserk....or Ball Lightning, Giant Growth, Giant Growth, Berserk for a trampling 24/7 hasted Beast =) Second and Third Turn kills galore =D Such a classic!

  -- By David Hunter from Arizona on July 06, 2007

This card is essential to my red/green deck. With one of these out on the first turn you can use the Ball Lightning/Blood Lust combo on turn two.

  -- By Spin from Mililani, HI USA on February 13, 2006

Man you have such a good deck with Shivan dragon.^^^^^^^ The real combo is this: First turn mountain tap the lumber jqack. Second turn tap the lumber jack and destroy a forestyou played and tapped for mana then you play channel pay 19 life casta fireball and win. Actualy this is first turn black lotus mountian tap the lotuzs 3 green, then play channel pay 19 life then youtap the mounrian and you have G19R in your mana pool for a fireball.

  -- By Tomas Beck aka The Factory in eM from Germany on October 26, 2005

This card is only good in red/green speed burn decks, and it just begs to be combo'd with tinder wall for a second turn shivan. This little combo is going to be what makes my deck work so well, and I have for shivans!

  -- By Anonymous from Lawrenceburg, IN USA on November 18, 2002